let president obama, let him have two recessions on two terms, that's the only way that they'll cut a time of spending if they're forced to do it. >> you mentioned the number, 5-8 billion dollars, new congress militia numbers out. 4.8 billion dollars a day so far, now, this is for not this year, this is for fiscal year 2013 which began in october. carney, the white house press spokesperson says a number of things about this, take a listen. >> the debt reduction in and of itself is not the goal here. the reason to get our fiscal house in order and the reason to pass a deficit reduction package that's balanced and allows for economic growth and job creation is to put our economy on a sustainable fiscal path. which again, in itself produces positive economic benefits and growth and jobs. >> eric: that's ridiculous, what that man just said, the reason for the discussions is not to cut the deficit, it's to put our economy on a path to fiscal growth and create jobs. the only way to do it is to stop the out of control debt. you're going to bury our kids and grandkids with debt. >> ainsley: b